gnasher729
Apr 14, 11:44 AM
I think that is about right. Macs are still a premium and premium priced product. There is a limited market that can afford premium priced products. You can get a mini-tower system from HP/Dell/Acer for $700 and it costs > $2000 to get a similar performing system from Apple (even if the Apple does come with more "features"). Many people can't afford or justify the price difference.
Please. A Macbook costs about $1,000. There will be people who deliberately go for something cheaper, but the majority of people can _afford_ it. The "similarly performing system" to the mini tower is the iMac for $1199. And people who are poor but clever know that in the long term, quality is cheaper - usually the best thing to buy is the cheapest of the best, which would be for example the MacBook. It will still be running fine when you bought the second replacement for a cheaper laptop.
Which reminds me that when people look at these sales numbers, they look at unit sales. They don't look at revenue. But how are you going to compare, if customer A buys one MacBook and uses it for five years, while customer B buys a cheap laptop every two years? Makes me wonder what is the percentage of Macs in actual use.
And all the Apple haters claim the "iToys" are responsible for the immense growth. Nah, people just want a PC that works and its called a Mac!
iPod, iPhone and iPad _are_ brilliant advertising for the Mac, so they surely help selling Macs by making people look at them and considering them. Once people look at them, they are quite good at selling themselves. Obviously the haters always claim that people buying either Macs or iDevices are just gullible idiots and Apple's success is due to marketing alone. How stupid do they think people are?
Sarcasm? Hard to tell. It's more polite to use some indication (smiley, text note) since there are many non-native English participants on this forum.
Much more important and polite is to write in clear and error-free English. For example, "could of" instead of "could have" doesn't make any sense whatsoever to someone who doesn't have a lot of experience with the English language. To a native English reader, "there" and "they're" is basically the same word (most recognise if the wrong one is used but it doesn't stop them understanding); to a non-native reader, they are totally, completely different and using the wrong one turns a simple sentence into a puzzle.
Please. A Macbook costs about $1,000. There will be people who deliberately go for something cheaper, but the majority of people can _afford_ it. The "similarly performing system" to the mini tower is the iMac for $1199. And people who are poor but clever know that in the long term, quality is cheaper - usually the best thing to buy is the cheapest of the best, which would be for example the MacBook. It will still be running fine when you bought the second replacement for a cheaper laptop.
Which reminds me that when people look at these sales numbers, they look at unit sales. They don't look at revenue. But how are you going to compare, if customer A buys one MacBook and uses it for five years, while customer B buys a cheap laptop every two years? Makes me wonder what is the percentage of Macs in actual use.
And all the Apple haters claim the "iToys" are responsible for the immense growth. Nah, people just want a PC that works and its called a Mac!
iPod, iPhone and iPad _are_ brilliant advertising for the Mac, so they surely help selling Macs by making people look at them and considering them. Once people look at them, they are quite good at selling themselves. Obviously the haters always claim that people buying either Macs or iDevices are just gullible idiots and Apple's success is due to marketing alone. How stupid do they think people are?
Sarcasm? Hard to tell. It's more polite to use some indication (smiley, text note) since there are many non-native English participants on this forum.
Much more important and polite is to write in clear and error-free English. For example, "could of" instead of "could have" doesn't make any sense whatsoever to someone who doesn't have a lot of experience with the English language. To a native English reader, "there" and "they're" is basically the same word (most recognise if the wrong one is used but it doesn't stop them understanding); to a non-native reader, they are totally, completely different and using the wrong one turns a simple sentence into a puzzle.
Warbrain
Nov 7, 06:55 AM
the 12" PB had a full sized keyboard...and I'm holding on to my 1.33 version till a 12" MBP shows up.
You'll be waiting for a while!
You'll be waiting for a while!
YS2003
Oct 26, 07:26 PM
Well my MB was bought the day they were announced - my local Apple store didn't have them on display yet :) and mine hasn't had the shutdown issue.
I thought this pic Engadget posted is pretty funny:
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/10/macbook-shutdown-fix.jpg
This is a classic. Also, he clicked that option on.
I thought this pic Engadget posted is pretty funny:
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/10/macbook-shutdown-fix.jpg
This is a classic. Also, he clicked that option on.
oneschance
Nov 3, 06:51 AM
Wirelessly posted (iphone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7D11 Safari/528.16)
Apple restricts use of technologies required by products like Flash Player. Until Apple eliminates these restrictions, Adobe cannot provide Flash Player for the iPhone or iPod Touch.
People don't care about Flash Player itself, they just want the ability to play video in the browser, which the iPhone is perfectly capable of doing. So instead of lobbying Apple for Flash support we should be lobbying web developers for video tag support.
I support this idea. I believe this is the same way Apple looks at it.
Apple restricts use of technologies required by products like Flash Player. Until Apple eliminates these restrictions, Adobe cannot provide Flash Player for the iPhone or iPod Touch.
People don't care about Flash Player itself, they just want the ability to play video in the browser, which the iPhone is perfectly capable of doing. So instead of lobbying Apple for Flash support we should be lobbying web developers for video tag support.
I support this idea. I believe this is the same way Apple looks at it.
atticus1178
Jul 22, 08:35 PM
i think i would rather read a paperback
wouldnt the screen strain the eyes?
wouldnt the screen strain the eyes?
ten-oak-druid
Apr 14, 11:10 AM
Sad part is, as adoption increases...so will viruses/malware/trojans/etc.
Best analogy Ive heard is:
Windows 7 is a house with bars on the windows, and industrial locks on the doors...in Baltimore.
OSX is a house with no locks, in the middle of nowhere.
Viruses and malware target the more gullible of society. These people buy the cheap $300 or under computers. In a way the proliferation of viruses provides an excuse for poor computer performance that distracts from the poor performance of such low quality machines.
Best analogy Ive heard is:
Windows 7 is a house with bars on the windows, and industrial locks on the doors...in Baltimore.
OSX is a house with no locks, in the middle of nowhere.
Viruses and malware target the more gullible of society. These people buy the cheap $300 or under computers. In a way the proliferation of viruses provides an excuse for poor computer performance that distracts from the poor performance of such low quality machines.
Blue Velvet
Aug 29, 02:11 PM
And you and people like you represent how much of the population?
What's that got to do with your absurd and paper-thin point? That Macs weren't for work? I represent no-one except myself and never claimed to...
Besides, since when did a majority choice signify anything of value? More people drink Coke instead of Champagne. More drive Fords than BMWs. More like 50 Cent than Mozart...
When billion-dollar publishing and media concerns depend on their Macs, in my view that trumps anybody at home playing Solitaire on their Windows boxes.
What's that got to do with your absurd and paper-thin point? That Macs weren't for work? I represent no-one except myself and never claimed to...
Besides, since when did a majority choice signify anything of value? More people drink Coke instead of Champagne. More drive Fords than BMWs. More like 50 Cent than Mozart...
When billion-dollar publishing and media concerns depend on their Macs, in my view that trumps anybody at home playing Solitaire on their Windows boxes.
Kimbie
Oct 11, 07:46 AM
Here is my setup
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd515/nikumba/room.jpg
Dell 2001FP on the left hooked up to my Win7 machine under the desk
Samsun SyncMaster 2494HS on the right, now connected to my MBP that is over on the left of the desk, using a standard PC keyboard and mouse with the MBP at the moment.
The little black keyboard is a USB with trackball hooked up to the Win7 machine.
So far this is an experiment to use my MBP as my primary machine rather than just a laptop, so far so good, have sorted most things out I think.
I will eventually get rid of the Dell and but the MBP on the stand and have the Win7 machine hooked up to the VGA input on the Samsung monitor
Also ignore the dust :)
Kimbie
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd515/nikumba/room.jpg
Dell 2001FP on the left hooked up to my Win7 machine under the desk
Samsun SyncMaster 2494HS on the right, now connected to my MBP that is over on the left of the desk, using a standard PC keyboard and mouse with the MBP at the moment.
The little black keyboard is a USB with trackball hooked up to the Win7 machine.
So far this is an experiment to use my MBP as my primary machine rather than just a laptop, so far so good, have sorted most things out I think.
I will eventually get rid of the Dell and but the MBP on the stand and have the Win7 machine hooked up to the VGA input on the Samsung monitor
Also ignore the dust :)
Kimbie
dmaxdmax
Nov 8, 08:21 AM
I have a remedial video question: does the GMA perform well enough for Final Cut Express? If it does I'd consider getting a MB rather than a MBP and put the money in a desktop display. I'll do 80% of my work at my desk anyway.
So the real question: is there bang for the buck on a MBP if I don't game and most of my work is iLife, MSOffice and Firefox?
Thanks for the brain cells -
dMax
So the real question: is there bang for the buck on a MBP if I don't game and most of my work is iLife, MSOffice and Firefox?
Thanks for the brain cells -
dMax
Stella
Jul 22, 09:16 PM
Sounds great. Better than carrying a real book around (*assuming you don't run out of batteries ).
There are ebook readers for PDAs and Smartphone - there's no reason why it shouldn't work with iPods.
Good progression of the iPod.
There are ebook readers for PDAs and Smartphone - there's no reason why it shouldn't work with iPods.
Good progression of the iPod.
marksandvig
Mar 12, 03:37 PM
If it's anything like the Whitebook I bought about 2.5 yrs ago, the plastic is coming off in chunks on the palm wrest. Mine (now a hand-me-down to my partner) is on its second palm wrest, and has already shed the same pieces.
my original core duo is begging me to take it out back and put it out of its misery. So glad I bought applecare with all the replacements. Poor girl has trouble running internet video now :(
my original core duo is begging me to take it out back and put it out of its misery. So glad I bought applecare with all the replacements. Poor girl has trouble running internet video now :(
Kristenn
Nov 24, 11:48 AM
I've been looking for the Yesterday and Today album forever!
I'm pretty sure I'm considered part of the new generation and I "love" The Beatles.
I'm pretty sure I'm considered part of the new generation and I "love" The Beatles.
princealfie
Nov 27, 12:23 PM
Ain't that the truth! Anyone actually seen someone using one of these yet?
I got one! :) I also have iPod too, hehehe.
I got one! :) I also have iPod too, hehehe.
anti-microsoft
Jan 11, 02:45 PM
How Exciting!! Can't wait!!:):):)
the editor
Apr 12, 02:15 PM
All this moral discussion about stealing a 1500,- bucks suite of software is pretty ridiculous if you put it into a relation to the billions of dollars/euros stolen from our tax money by the private central banks.
If a corporation steals billions that's ok, but if someone pirates a single piece of software that's theft.
The same rules should apply to everyone.
Btw, I have only legit software on my computer.
my point exactly...
I really don't get all the wankers here with all there high morals about downloading is steeling. It aint steeling, and if it was i wouldn't feel one single bit of guilt...i'm getting robed here everyday by the government, at work, hell i'm even getting robed buying grocery's...why should i be the idiot paying for something i can get for free...and don't start the "people are losing their jobs if you don't buy it" if they do than they should get in line. Here's an idea... maybe the CEO's could spare a few of their billions to help the staff out and make them keep their job...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGjSq4HqP9Y
If a corporation steals billions that's ok, but if someone pirates a single piece of software that's theft.
The same rules should apply to everyone.
Btw, I have only legit software on my computer.
my point exactly...
I really don't get all the wankers here with all there high morals about downloading is steeling. It aint steeling, and if it was i wouldn't feel one single bit of guilt...i'm getting robed here everyday by the government, at work, hell i'm even getting robed buying grocery's...why should i be the idiot paying for something i can get for free...and don't start the "people are losing their jobs if you don't buy it" if they do than they should get in line. Here's an idea... maybe the CEO's could spare a few of their billions to help the staff out and make them keep their job...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGjSq4HqP9Y
mooncaine
Sep 12, 03:41 PM
GRRRRRRRRRR! I want to upgrade my current videos to 640x480... HOW?
The usual answer would be: start with a new source, and compress that to 640x480. If you start with a video that's already 320x240, you can't expect it to look better if you later try to re-encode it to a larger screen size. Can't get data from nowhere... can't get blood from a stone.
The usual answer would be: start with a new source, and compress that to 640x480. If you start with a video that's already 320x240, you can't expect it to look better if you later try to re-encode it to a larger screen size. Can't get data from nowhere... can't get blood from a stone.
dime21
Mar 29, 02:30 PM
Bush was pretty easy to be anti- towards. I personally object to dangerously irresponsible fools who start conflicts.
Yep, poor ole' Saddam, just an innocent bystander. :rolleyes:
Yep, poor ole' Saddam, just an innocent bystander. :rolleyes:
chairguru22
Nov 8, 08:29 AM
Looks like nothing has changed but the processor. Gentlemen, commence your bitching.
i have a 1st generation macbook so in a way im glad not much was updated... :p
i have a 1st generation macbook so in a way im glad not much was updated... :p
kavika411
Mar 30, 07:13 AM
What has been asked for and what we are providing is a no fly zone, which seems like the appropriate amount of military intervention.
[confused]
The US is enforcing a no-fly zone over The Republic of Congo? Or were you just dodging the question?
[confused]
The US is enforcing a no-fly zone over The Republic of Congo? Or were you just dodging the question?
PowerGamerX
Oct 12, 04:49 PM
WOW!
Curious to know what is your idea of an extra-ordinary Mac Setup?
He still has to buy and stuff Steve Job's head so he can put it over his fire place.
Curious to know what is your idea of an extra-ordinary Mac Setup?
He still has to buy and stuff Steve Job's head so he can put it over his fire place.
Popeye206
Apr 14, 10:12 AM
PC sales are shrinking because of stagnation in the primary driving force for selling new PC hardware.
Games.
Gamers now have 4 platforms to choose from (smart phone, console, hand-held, PC), and game developers are putting LESS dollars into high end PC titles and concentrating on consoles for their premium products.
With no Diablo 3 (or whatever) to entice me with gameplay I can't find anywhere else, I have much less of a reason to play games on my PC rig, much less upgrade it.
When it comes to writing emails or checking facebook, a smart phone or tablet will do that just as well as a PC.
Macs have never been gaming machines, so they are immune from that particular effect. It is 'trendy' to have a macbook right now (seriously, go to a coffee shop and tell me what you see), and the vast majority of their sales are to less-technology/gadget-savvy users who have bought their Mac because of other people telling them that Macs are good, rather than the hardware, specs, or software on the computer.
In the end, it is all marketing... which is the case with most of Apple's products. They have been selling PC hardware now for years at a higher price than their competitors. Windows 7 isn't any worse (or better) than MacOS for browsing the web or checking email..... so its not the OS that is influencing soccer moms and emo kids to buy Mac either.
Games.
Gamers now have 4 platforms to choose from (smart phone, console, hand-held, PC), and game developers are putting LESS dollars into high end PC titles and concentrating on consoles for their premium products.
With no Diablo 3 (or whatever) to entice me with gameplay I can't find anywhere else, I have much less of a reason to play games on my PC rig, much less upgrade it.
When it comes to writing emails or checking facebook, a smart phone or tablet will do that just as well as a PC.
Macs have never been gaming machines, so they are immune from that particular effect. It is 'trendy' to have a macbook right now (seriously, go to a coffee shop and tell me what you see), and the vast majority of their sales are to less-technology/gadget-savvy users who have bought their Mac because of other people telling them that Macs are good, rather than the hardware, specs, or software on the computer.
In the end, it is all marketing... which is the case with most of Apple's products. They have been selling PC hardware now for years at a higher price than their competitors. Windows 7 isn't any worse (or better) than MacOS for browsing the web or checking email..... so its not the OS that is influencing soccer moms and emo kids to buy Mac either.
milo
Sep 12, 02:39 PM
Can we get the new ones with the school promotion?
Nope. You can read the PDF on the apple website for details.
seems kinda sly to unload the old nanos on poor students.
You're not suggesting we should feel sorry for someone getting a FREE nano, even if it's the previous model?
While many people are looking for Apple to integrate a radio tuner into the iPod it isn't going to happen.
They already have a radio tuner add-on if you really want one. Personally, the whole point of getting an iPod is so I can avoid radio.
Nope. You can read the PDF on the apple website for details.
seems kinda sly to unload the old nanos on poor students.
You're not suggesting we should feel sorry for someone getting a FREE nano, even if it's the previous model?
While many people are looking for Apple to integrate a radio tuner into the iPod it isn't going to happen.
They already have a radio tuner add-on if you really want one. Personally, the whole point of getting an iPod is so I can avoid radio.
MacinDoc
Sep 4, 11:30 PM
dumbest
argument
ever
you guys are arguing over nickels and dimes when it really comes down to preference. people who like os x buy it. people who like windows buy it. they dont sit and think about the cost difference between the two for the most part.
i thought die hard mac os freaks loved it for its functionality and stability, not its price advantage? and windows haters just hate windows no matter what. good for them. im a big whore and ill get the benefits of both. ;)
I hate Windows because I fight with it at work every day. Windows is why I have a Mac.
But the point of this thread is the debate over whether Vista will be reasonably priced at $399 for a full install set, vs. $129 for OS X 10.5.
argument
ever
you guys are arguing over nickels and dimes when it really comes down to preference. people who like os x buy it. people who like windows buy it. they dont sit and think about the cost difference between the two for the most part.
i thought die hard mac os freaks loved it for its functionality and stability, not its price advantage? and windows haters just hate windows no matter what. good for them. im a big whore and ill get the benefits of both. ;)
I hate Windows because I fight with it at work every day. Windows is why I have a Mac.
But the point of this thread is the debate over whether Vista will be reasonably priced at $399 for a full install set, vs. $129 for OS X 10.5.
playstationdork
Jan 11, 02:23 PM
while the screen floats and is powered by powerful earth magnets.
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